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<v Narrator>Constance M. Sullivan V Five Acres Realty Trust</v>

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<v ->Mr. Lewin.</v>

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<v ->Thank you, good morning.</v>

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May it please the court.

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I will begin with the 93A verdict under count four.

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And specifically the issue of whether

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under Lantner versus Carson.

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And under the applicable standard of review.

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The sale of the Gagliardi's home

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was an isolated sale of a private home

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not in the ordinary course of business.

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It is our contention that this was an isolated sale.

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The evidence at trial was that in

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the course of 39 years from 1974 to 2013

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the Gagliardi's sold only one property.

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A two-family home to their daughter, Maria in 2003.

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The Gagliardi's history of home ownership is that

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in beginning of 1974 they lived in two homes

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for 14 years each.

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Inverting them each to two-family homes

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and keeping them for rental income.

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In 2002 the Gagliardi's bought their home in Dover and-

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<v ->Mr. Lewin, I think it'd be helpful if you would just</v>

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point out what the legal parameters of

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the thing you're challenging.

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You're saying the evidence is not sufficient for this, why?

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What is it that the plaintiff had to prove and didn't prove?

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<v ->The plaintiff had the burden of proving</v>

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that this was under Lantner versus Carson.

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An isolated stale sale.

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That this was not an isolated sale of a private home.

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And that this was in the ordinary course of

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the business conducted by the Gagliardi's.

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In order to fall within the definition of trade or commerce

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under Mass. General Laws Chapter 93A.

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<v ->Okay, thank you.</v>

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<v ->The home in Dover was sold after</v>

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the Gagliardi's lived there for almost 11 years.

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The sale was at a loss of $300,000 compared to

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the original purchase price.

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<v ->Mr. Lewin, how many homes did</v>

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they convert into rental properties?

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And how many times was your,

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One of your clients,

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the client who did the mortar business

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involved in sort of doing work on those homes?

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<v ->They converted a two two-family homes.</v>

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They converted two two-family homes.

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They were single-family homes

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converted to two-family homes.

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They purchased a third three-family home.

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And there were renovations done to the two conversions.

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The building permits-

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<v ->I don't understand what you mean by</v>

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the renovations to the two conversions?

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You mean the multiple family homes?

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<v ->They were single-family homes converted to two-family</v>

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that was I meant by conversion.

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<v ->And did your client do the renovations himself?</v>

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<v ->I believe he did the masonry work</v>

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involved in the renovations

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on the two two-family homes.

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<v ->So I guess that's (inaudible).</v>

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Assuming all of those facts are true.

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It's still a motion to dismiss should have been granted

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or summary judgment should have been granted.

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On those facts were they are sort of

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they're not just sort of normal homeowners.

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They they're sort of normal homeowners who were doing

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some personal renovations and then there's some conversions.

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I guess that isn't enough to get you

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into the business context.

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I take it you're saying.

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<v ->That's correct.</v>

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That should not be the standard

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for whether or not the sale of a home-

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<v ->So then are we at</v>

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the point where it's really not so much a question of

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whether the evidence was sufficient at the trial.

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But really that in any view of the light most favorable to

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the purchasers there's not enough?

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<v ->That is correct your Honor.</v>

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That is our view.

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<v ->And if that were not true.</v>

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I mean, I know that were not true.

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But if that were not...

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If the standard is not...

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If we conclude that

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the motion to dismiss was properly denied,

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or the summary judgment was properly denied.

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Then we're left somewhere with a quantum of evidence issue.

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Is that correct?

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<v ->That is correct.</v>

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<v ->And then if we look at that quantum of evidence.</v>

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What is it that persuaded the judge

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and what is it that persuaded the jury

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to hold against your client in terms of

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that quantum of evidence going over to business?

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<v ->I believe that the jury conflated</v>

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the business of apartment rentals

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and the business of masonry construction.

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With what occurred at this property.

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I believe that the jury was angered by the failure

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to obtain a permit for renovations done

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some seven years, almost seven years prior to the sale.

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Renovations to the kitchen and to the porch.

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Which were done for the purpose of providing

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a place for hosting family and friends.

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<v ->Would they have had to believe that</v>

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the purpose was resale or could they have accepted that

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the purpose was to host family and friends

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and have a more enjoyable kitchen?

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<v ->I do not believe that even if the purpose was for resale.</v>

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That should be sufficient

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or that should be acceptable evidence.

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<v ->So then if I'm following that.</v>

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Then what they wanted to do it for

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was irrelevant in your mind.

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But the jury was angry about the failure to get the permit.

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<v ->Correct.</v>

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And then the structural deficiencies

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that the Gagliardi's admitted were present

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as a result of the repair effort.

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With respect to the improvements.

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I think there's millions of homes in Massachusetts.

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People make improvements when they go to sell it.

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When they're about to sell their home all the time.

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Paint the house, remodel a bathroom.

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I don't think that the fact that improvements are made

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here seven years prior.

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But even if they're made in connection with a home

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that doesn't necessarily converts

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the sale of a home into a business.

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Because it would create an untenable standard.

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<v ->Mr. Lewin,</v>

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I know you want to focus on this one transaction.

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But does it not at all matter that the defendants here

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were in the masonry business, right?

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And several times have purchased, renovated, and rented out

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homes over the course over the last several years.

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Isn't that something to consider?

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<v ->I don't believe it matters</v>

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in connection with the sale of a private home.

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If you conclude that this was

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an isolated sale of a private home.

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And they were not in the business of selling houses,

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renovating and selling houses.

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Then I think that you...

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If you create a standard that says,

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"Well let me look at what other businesses that they were in

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and see if there's a connection between those businesses

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that they're in and the isolated sale of their home."

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I'm going to say then, that every home that is sold

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is subject to General Laws Chapter 93A.

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Well then that would require the court to look at

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the experience, knowledge and sophistication

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of a broad range of people.

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I mean attorneys know that you're supposed to get

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building permits when you do renovations to your home.

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<v ->Mr. Lewin, let me ask you about this</v>

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part of the case where the spouse did the books for

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the masonry business in the house, and some of that.

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Where would that lead us in today's world?

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Where most people have, well not most.

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But a lot of people have home offices, accountants, lawyers

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in the like doing zoom calls out of their homes right?

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Shouldn't we look at that.

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And would concern whether or not that converts

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a primary residence into a place of business.

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<v ->Yes, yes your Honor.</v>

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It would create an untenable standard.

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Because every transaction a home sale would be scrutinized

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to see what degree did people work at home especially now.

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And what were they doing in their house?

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What were they using their house for?

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I agree with that point of view.

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Here, Mrs.Gagliardi worked in the home

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for two to four hours a week.

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Doing the books for the masonry business

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and for the apartment rental business.

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<v ->Mr. Lewin, can I ask you please about</v>

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the implied warranty of habitability.

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And on the same issue you've been on

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about a single transaction.

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And the issue is whether Albrecht versus Clifford

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should be extended to this situation.

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And what I mean by this situation;

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if you've got a contractor

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who is aware of a latent defect

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that resulted from that contractor renovating the home.

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Is that a natural extension of all that

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the implied warranty of habitability.

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<v ->First your Honor,</v>

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I believe the evidence is that

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the defendants were aware that

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they failed to obtain a building permit.

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They had done these renovations for themselves.

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They were not aware that there were structural defects

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to the porch renovations and to the kitchen expansion.

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But putting that aside.

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I would suggest that the standard for extending the

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or for applying the (inaudible) warranty should be limited

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to those persons in the business of

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developing residential property for resale.

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The builder, in other words the builder-vendor.

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Once you extend it beyond the builder-vendor,

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then I think that you get into an area where

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the standards become very blurred.

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And then anyone with some knowledge and experience

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and knowledge of building permits

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such as a real estate attorney

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could then be subject to the implied warranty for

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the failure to obtain a building permit.

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<v ->Mr. Lewin, can I ask that-</v>

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Justice Lowy, are you done?

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<v ->Yes, thank you.</v>

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<v ->So Mr.Lewin, I know you're a construction Lawyer.</v>

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There's something about this case that troubles me.

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Cause I can't...

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It seems like it's odd.

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I mean, in an ordinary...

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So we've got people building.

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Doing renovations in a home without getting a license.

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How do you normally sue and recover for that?

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I understand we've got this sort of oddity here.

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We've got this 93A claim based on they're in the business.

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We've also got this implied warranty of habitability.

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If this were...

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There's gotta be some way of recovering

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for doing construction in a home

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without going to the building inspector.

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And then you get stuck with this house.

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How would this normally have been dealt with?

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This seems an oddity.

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I'm just trying to understand in conventional parlance.

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There's gotta be a right.

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A remedy for a wrong.

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I'm just trying to understand conventionally

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how would it have been dealt with?

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<v ->Your Honor, I would say conventionally</v>

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it would be dealt with

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a purchase and sale agreement that contains provisions

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relating to the discovery of latent defects.

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Instead of releases as we had in this case.

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A purchase and sale agreement that released

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the seller from all liability.

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There was the second-

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<v ->But I'm trying to understand.</v>

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Some contractors, you're quite familiar with contractors.

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Some contractors and also your client

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built without a permit.

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You're client also knows he shouldn't build without permit.

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I'm just trying to understand as a conventional matter

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how do you recover if you end up with one of those homes.

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Is 93A the conventional way this is dealt with?

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or implied warranty of habitability?

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What is the sort of standard way we deal with

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these kinds of, you know, basically improper conduct.

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You can't build without a building permit, right?

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So I'm just trying to understand.

262
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You say "This is an inapplicable."

263
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I'm trying to understand how it should have been remedied

264
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cause there's a wrong here, right?

265
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<v ->That's correct, your Honor.</v>

266
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And it should have been remedied through a purchasing,

267
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through the terms of a purchase and sale agreement.

268
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Breach of the purchase and sale agreement.

269
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If there are the terms of a purchase and sale agreement-

270
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<v ->But there's negligent construction, right?</v>

271
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No one knows negligent construction better than you.

272
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This is negligent construction.

273
00:14:44.450 --> 00:14:47.600
But we don't have a negligence claim here.

274
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I'm just trying to...

275
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This just seems very odd this case.

276
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I cant get my arms around why it's odd but-

277
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<v ->Yeah.</v>

278
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<v ->But there's gotta be a remedy for a wrong.</v>

279
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There was construction done on a house

280
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without getting a permit.

281
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So is 93A not the way to do this?

282
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What is...

283
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Should the contractors...

284
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So I'm just trying to understand

285
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conventionally how do you recover for this wrong?

286
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Particularly when your client who's a builder,

287
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does it without a permit.

288
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So I'm just trying to get a sense of...

289
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I don't sense the equities on your side.

290
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But I'm not sure if these theories are correct.

291
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<v ->Your Honor, the remedy is through the contract.</v>

292
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Through a purchase and sale agreement

293
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that protects the buyer.

294
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With representations that appropriate permits were obtained.

295
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And in fact the Greater Boston Real Estate Board

296
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standard form of purchase and sale agreement

297
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has a checklist that includes a representation

298
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that permits were obtained for all constructions.

299
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<v ->But so you don't...</v>

300
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When a builder builds without getting a...

301
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and going through the building inspector

302
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and the house ends up getting lived in and sold.

303
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You don't have a negligent construction claim?

304
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I am-

305
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<v ->I apologize.</v>

306
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Your Honor, if your focus is on the builder.

307
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<v ->Well, but your client is also a builder.</v>

308
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He did some of the masonry work, right?

309
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<v ->My client does masonry work. Yes.</v>

310
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Foundations.

311
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<v ->But he knocked down the wall in the building, right?</v>

312
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He knocked-

313
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<v ->The carpenter that he hired knocked down the wall. Yes.</v>

314
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<v ->Okay. All right.</v>

315
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I'm not getting anywhere but I-

316
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<v ->May I ask you a question counsel.</v>

317
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I think one of the answers Justice Kafker may be looking for

318
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is that the regular route would be prevented by

319
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the statute of repose, is that right?

320
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<v ->That's what I was getting there.</v>

321
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But yeah.
<v ->Okay.</v>

322
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And so if that's not available.

323
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Then going to the claims that the judge did dismiss

324
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reach the the fraud and the misrepresentation.

325
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What was the theory under which of those were dismissed?

326
00:17:06.700 --> 00:17:11.473
<v ->The Law on fraud and misrepresentation with regard to,</v>

327
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as applied to the purchase and sale agreement.

328
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Is that there is no duty to disclose the lack.

329
00:17:18.480 --> 00:17:19.770
There's no duty to disclose

330
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the absence of a building permit.

331
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<v ->Okay, and so really your theory is...</v>

332
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Putting everything else aside.

333
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I agree with Justice Kafker.

334
00:17:27.840 --> 00:17:31.750
It doesn't look like the equities are good for your client.

335
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But the Law might not get the other side

336
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where they want to be.

337
00:17:35.360 --> 00:17:39.620
But here typical way to approach this normally

338
00:17:39.620 --> 00:17:42.240
would have been to sue on the basis of

339
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the contract violation on the purchase and sale.

340
00:17:44.810 --> 00:17:46.490
But you're saying in this case there's a set,

341
00:17:46.490 --> 00:17:50.520
there were separate releases instead of the typical language

342
00:17:50.520 --> 00:17:52.700
in the purchase and sale that released your home,

343
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your clients from all liability.

344
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<v ->That's correct.</v>

345
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And then there was a clause.

346
00:17:58.430 --> 00:18:00.730
And there was an inspection done by the buyer.

347
00:18:01.684 --> 00:18:03.083
And the inspector told the buyer-

348
00:18:03.083 --> 00:18:03.916
<v ->The inspector hired by the buyer said,</v>

349
00:18:03.916 --> 00:18:06.680
"Hey check out. We didn't look at the permitting history.

350
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You should do that basically."

351
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<v Lewin>Yes.</v>

352
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<v ->Any further questions for Mr. Lewin.</v>

353
00:18:14.049 --> 00:18:15.337
Thank you Mr. Lewin.

354
00:18:15.337 --> 00:18:16.170
Mr. McGlynn.

355
00:18:17.660 --> 00:18:18.780
<v ->Thank you. Good morning your Honors.</v>

356
00:18:18.780 --> 00:18:20.840
And may it please the court.

357
00:18:20.840 --> 00:18:25.840
Taking up the questions posed by Justices Kafker and Cypher.

358
00:18:27.260 --> 00:18:30.390
Under this contract there would have been no remedy.

359
00:18:30.390 --> 00:18:34.870
And the remedy here is based upon two things, your Honors.

360
00:18:34.870 --> 00:18:37.210
Latent defects number one.

361
00:18:37.210 --> 00:18:40.440
And number two defects that were concealed.

362
00:18:40.440 --> 00:18:42.680
Defects that were illegal.

363
00:18:42.680 --> 00:18:44.690
In this particular instance the remedy,

364
00:18:44.690 --> 00:18:46.710
putting aside Chapter 93A,

365
00:18:46.710 --> 00:18:49.940
is breach of the implied warranty of habitability.

366
00:18:49.940 --> 00:18:53.980
For the simple reason that an exculpatory clause

367
00:18:53.980 --> 00:18:58.120
or a release in a contract is not going to a bar

368
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that type of a remedy so long as-

369
00:19:00.186 --> 00:19:02.380
<v ->I find that really odd.</v>

370
00:19:02.380 --> 00:19:04.850
I mean, I understand the 93A claim.

371
00:19:04.850 --> 00:19:07.290
But I mean the breach of

372
00:19:07.290 --> 00:19:08.770
the implied warranty of habitability.

373
00:19:08.770 --> 00:19:13.200
They lived in the house themselves for a long time, right?

374
00:19:13.200 --> 00:19:16.350
I mean, so I'm not handy.

375
00:19:16.350 --> 00:19:18.770
But say I we're like Justice Gaziano.

376
00:19:18.770 --> 00:19:21.410
I'm a very handy homeowner.

377
00:19:21.410 --> 00:19:24.103
And I make improvements to my house.

378
00:19:27.240 --> 00:19:30.510
And then down the road I sell the house.

379
00:19:30.510 --> 00:19:33.659
I'm you know, I live in it for years.

380
00:19:33.659 --> 00:19:36.070
<v ->Gaziano got all the permits he needed.</v>

381
00:19:36.070 --> 00:19:38.150
<v ->Yeah, but I'm just trying to understand</v>

382
00:19:39.005 --> 00:19:42.930
how we've got an implied warranty of habitability here.

383
00:19:42.930 --> 00:19:45.133
A lot of people work on their homes.

384
00:19:46.650 --> 00:19:48.883
It just seems like that's a real reach.

385
00:19:50.350 --> 00:19:52.000
<v ->Justice Kafker,</v>

386
00:19:52.000 --> 00:19:53.910
that is not this case.

387
00:19:53.910 --> 00:19:56.640
Obviously somebody that goes down to Home Depot

388
00:19:56.640 --> 00:20:00.370
on the weekend and gets a new kitchen

389
00:20:00.370 --> 00:20:02.830
or a new bathroom and remodels it.

390
00:20:02.830 --> 00:20:06.320
That's what not, what's did not happen here.

391
00:20:06.320 --> 00:20:09.260
What we have here is evidence that was presented

392
00:20:09.260 --> 00:20:12.450
to the jury during this nine day trial.

393
00:20:12.450 --> 00:20:15.810
That not only were the Gagliardi's engaged

394
00:20:15.810 --> 00:20:17.770
in trade or commerce under 93A.

395
00:20:17.770 --> 00:20:20.480
But they were also builder-vendors.

396
00:20:20.480 --> 00:20:22.590
We have a gentleman Mr.Gagliardi,

397
00:20:22.590 --> 00:20:26.740
who had a construction license for I believe 50 years.

398
00:20:26.740 --> 00:20:29.830
He also owned his own masonry business.

399
00:20:29.830 --> 00:20:33.010
He would also qualified and was registered

400
00:20:33.010 --> 00:20:35.070
as a home renovator.

401
00:20:35.070 --> 00:20:38.510
So we have construction knowledge and experience.

402
00:20:38.510 --> 00:20:42.800
We also have Mrs. Gagliardi who was part of that business.

403
00:20:42.800 --> 00:20:45.770
Managing it from the Dover home.

404
00:20:45.770 --> 00:20:48.150
So we have one of the the elements

405
00:20:48.150 --> 00:20:49.750
we think of builder-vendor here.

406
00:20:49.750 --> 00:20:53.430
This experience, this expertise.

407
00:20:53.430 --> 00:20:54.520
They also would...

408
00:20:54.520 --> 00:20:56.510
The jury also heard your Honors

409
00:20:56.510 --> 00:20:59.700
that Mr.Gagliardi in particular

410
00:20:59.700 --> 00:21:03.610
performed a fair amount of the renovations

411
00:21:03.610 --> 00:21:06.485
to the kitchen and the so-called Tuscan room himself

412
00:21:06.485 --> 00:21:07.760
and with his son.

413
00:21:07.760 --> 00:21:10.450
He used equipment from his business

414
00:21:10.450 --> 00:21:14.651
J &amp; F Contracting to perform some of that work he-

415
00:21:14.651 --> 00:21:17.820
<v ->Mr. McGlynn, and again I don't mean to be difficult.</v>

416
00:21:17.820 --> 00:21:22.060
I'm just trying to make sure that we don't convert every

417
00:21:22.060 --> 00:21:24.120
homeowner who goes to Home Depot

418
00:21:24.120 --> 00:21:26.650
into an implied warranty person.

419
00:21:26.650 --> 00:21:27.483
How is...

420
00:21:28.450 --> 00:21:31.640
I understand they did some work

421
00:21:31.640 --> 00:21:35.310
and converting some homes into rental units.

422
00:21:35.310 --> 00:21:39.030
But how long do they live in this Dover before,

423
00:21:39.030 --> 00:21:41.920
after the renovations, before they sell it?

424
00:21:41.920 --> 00:21:43.633
They live for how long?

425
00:21:44.650 --> 00:21:48.540
<v ->They acquired the property in 2002 I believe.</v>

426
00:21:48.540 --> 00:21:53.540
They began renovations Justice Kafker at approximately 2006.

427
00:21:54.640 --> 00:21:58.290
Those renovations were completed in 2010.

428
00:21:58.290 --> 00:22:01.600
We don't know the exact date because Mrs.Gagliardi

429
00:22:01.600 --> 00:22:05.395
spoliated crucial evidence relating to the renovations.

430
00:22:05.395 --> 00:22:06.860
<v ->They live in...</v>

431
00:22:06.860 --> 00:22:08.680
While those renovations are going

432
00:22:08.680 --> 00:22:11.810
I take it they're living in the home during...

433
00:22:11.810 --> 00:22:13.360
They're like Thomas Jefferson.

434
00:22:13.360 --> 00:22:14.480
They're living in their house

435
00:22:14.480 --> 00:22:16.710
while they're constructing, right?

436
00:22:16.710 --> 00:22:19.450
<v ->That is my understanding, your Honor.</v>

437
00:22:19.450 --> 00:22:24.450
And once those renovations were completed in 2010.

438
00:22:24.580 --> 00:22:28.110
In May 2011, less than a year later.

439
00:22:28.110 --> 00:22:29.850
They put the house on the market

440
00:22:31.428 --> 00:22:34.840
with an asking price of about $3.3 million

441
00:22:34.840 --> 00:22:38.040
a roughly 1.12 million

442
00:22:38.040 --> 00:22:42.300
over what they purchased it for in 2002.

443
00:22:42.300 --> 00:22:45.210
The point is that that's only one of the factors

444
00:22:45.210 --> 00:22:47.520
that would determine what we would submit

445
00:22:47.520 --> 00:22:51.020
as a pervasive element of commerciality

446
00:22:51.020 --> 00:22:53.140
in terms of what they did here.

447
00:22:53.140 --> 00:22:56.970
This was Justice Kafker and your Honors,

448
00:22:56.970 --> 00:23:01.330
I believe the fifth property where what we discussed

449
00:23:01.330 --> 00:23:04.720
and presented to the jury during the trial.

450
00:23:04.720 --> 00:23:07.350
Was the Gagliardi business model.

451
00:23:07.350 --> 00:23:09.580
Putting aside the fact that they were

452
00:23:09.580 --> 00:23:11.450
operating their two businesses;

453
00:23:11.450 --> 00:23:14.240
the construction business and the real estate business

454
00:23:14.240 --> 00:23:15.800
out of the Dover property.

455
00:23:15.800 --> 00:23:17.712
And they stored equipment.

456
00:23:17.712 --> 00:23:18.614
There is a clear record-

457
00:23:18.614 --> 00:23:20.097
<v ->Can you go back to</v>

458
00:23:20.097 --> 00:23:22.010
that storage of equipment issue for a moment.

459
00:23:22.010 --> 00:23:26.060
Reading the record it seems to me that there's some conflict

460
00:23:27.883 --> 00:23:29.690
Your argument is that they're storing

461
00:23:29.690 --> 00:23:30.660
all this equipment there.

462
00:23:30.660 --> 00:23:33.130
The other side saying, "Look, it just happened once or twice

463
00:23:33.130 --> 00:23:36.440
a year when he was going. When his jobs were close to home

464
00:23:36.440 --> 00:23:37.760
he kept his truck there."

465
00:23:37.760 --> 00:23:39.743
What the resolution of that?

466
00:23:41.740 --> 00:23:43.660
<v ->Considering the standards of review</v>

467
00:23:43.660 --> 00:23:45.640
of this case Justice Cypher.

468
00:23:45.640 --> 00:23:47.960
If there was conflicting evidence on that

469
00:23:47.960 --> 00:23:51.627
the jury was certainly free to choose, to reject that

470
00:23:51.627 --> 00:23:53.170
"it was only here a couple of weeks".

471
00:23:53.170 --> 00:23:56.040
And under the standards of review Justice Cypher

472
00:23:56.880 --> 00:24:01.880
the contrary evidence should be rejected and not considered.

473
00:24:01.890 --> 00:24:04.500
So the jury certainly took that into consideration.

474
00:24:04.500 --> 00:24:06.280
Not only the trucks that were stored there,

475
00:24:06.280 --> 00:24:09.200
but also the scaffolding that they use to install

476
00:24:09.200 --> 00:24:11.220
the chimney and some of the foundation work

477
00:24:11.220 --> 00:24:13.930
on the so-called Tuscan home.

478
00:24:13.930 --> 00:24:16.140
So this business model

479
00:24:17.570 --> 00:24:20.680
extended for approximately four decades

480
00:24:20.680 --> 00:24:24.890
and they had a cycle where they would acquire a property.

481
00:24:24.890 --> 00:24:27.520
They would renovate it as my brother indicated.

482
00:24:27.520 --> 00:24:31.300
I believe in two properties they expanded from one apartment

483
00:24:31.300 --> 00:24:34.580
to two apartments to double the rent rental income.

484
00:24:34.580 --> 00:24:36.260
They did that repeatedly.

485
00:24:36.260 --> 00:24:38.810
They use the equity in these properties

486
00:24:38.810 --> 00:24:40.800
to acquire additional properties.

487
00:24:40.800 --> 00:24:44.270
They use the equity of those properties to acquire Dover.

488
00:24:44.270 --> 00:24:45.180
And then-

489
00:24:45.180 --> 00:24:48.360
<v ->Did they ever live in those homes?</v>

490
00:24:48.360 --> 00:24:50.801
I understand-
<v ->[McGlynn Yes They.</v>

491
00:24:50.801 --> 00:24:52.230
<v ->Sorry.</v>

492
00:24:52.230 --> 00:24:53.820
<v ->Yes they did.</v>

493
00:24:53.820 --> 00:24:55.481
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to talk over you.

494
00:24:55.481 --> 00:24:58.003
It's a little bit of the electronic transmission.

495
00:24:58.003 --> 00:25:01.100
As we stated in our briefing papers.

496
00:25:01.100 --> 00:25:05.270
The evidence was that they would stay in a home.

497
00:25:05.270 --> 00:25:07.140
Not every home that they acquired,

498
00:25:07.140 --> 00:25:08.880
but for approximately 10 years.

499
00:25:08.880 --> 00:25:12.480
During that time they'd renovate them.

500
00:25:12.480 --> 00:25:14.370
They'd then live in them for a while

501
00:25:14.370 --> 00:25:15.250
and then they would put them in the-

502
00:25:15.250 --> 00:25:18.000
<v ->Can I be more specific</v>
<v McGlynn>Certainly.</v>

503
00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:21.420
<v ->So let's just focus on where you're...</v>

504
00:25:22.500 --> 00:25:25.640
I don't mean to mispronounce them, the Gagliardi's

505
00:25:25.640 --> 00:25:26.930
lived their whole life.

506
00:25:26.930 --> 00:25:28.720
Forget about their children and other things.

507
00:25:28.720 --> 00:25:30.950
So they lived in how many...

508
00:25:30.950 --> 00:25:33.300
cause I'm sure Mr. McGlynn

509
00:25:33.300 --> 00:25:35.543
you've probably lived in five houses.

510
00:25:36.870 --> 00:25:39.550
A lot of us had moved in, you know

511
00:25:39.550 --> 00:25:42.170
benefited from the going-up in the market.

512
00:25:42.170 --> 00:25:45.270
I just want to make sure we're not writing decisions

513
00:25:45.270 --> 00:25:47.590
that apply to everybody here.

514
00:25:47.590 --> 00:25:51.400
But something specific because a lot of people

515
00:25:51.400 --> 00:25:54.810
improve their homes, move to a better home,

516
00:25:54.810 --> 00:25:57.070
improve that home, and they moved to another one.

517
00:25:57.070 --> 00:25:59.570
I just want to make sure we're not sweeping in

518
00:25:59.570 --> 00:26:03.200
those people into a 93A claim.

519
00:26:03.200 --> 00:26:07.010
So just tell me how many times did the Gagliardi

520
00:26:08.440 --> 00:26:11.963
change homes, go ahead, over their lifetime here.

521
00:26:12.950 --> 00:26:14.160
<v ->I believe your Honor,</v>

522
00:26:14.160 --> 00:26:19.080
that they changed homes approximately four or five times.

523
00:26:19.080 --> 00:26:22.280
They lived in two of the rental properties

524
00:26:23.190 --> 00:26:24.730
which they renovated.

525
00:26:24.730 --> 00:26:28.130
Then they use the equity in those rental properties to

526
00:26:28.130 --> 00:26:29.810
acquire a commercial property,

527
00:26:29.810 --> 00:26:31.900
which obviously they did not live in.

528
00:26:31.900 --> 00:26:34.710
They use the equity to acquire the Dover property

529
00:26:34.710 --> 00:26:36.710
which they did live in and-

530
00:26:36.710 --> 00:26:40.410
<v ->Is that different from a normal people</v>

531
00:26:40.410 --> 00:26:42.580
who are successful in the world.

532
00:26:42.580 --> 00:26:44.480
They're making little money and they're buying

533
00:26:44.480 --> 00:26:45.930
a little bigger house.

534
00:26:45.930 --> 00:26:48.860
Are they really different from just what

535
00:26:48.860 --> 00:26:50.070
a lot of people want to do.

536
00:26:50.070 --> 00:26:51.600
The American dream you know,

537
00:26:51.600 --> 00:26:54.270
go from one house to another that's a little better

538
00:26:54.270 --> 00:26:56.020
than the house they were in before.

539
00:26:57.750 --> 00:27:01.080
<v ->This is not a case of the American dream</v>

540
00:27:01.080 --> 00:27:04.690
where they've had some good luck in

541
00:27:04.690 --> 00:27:08.520
maybe capitalizing on a hot market.

542
00:27:08.520 --> 00:27:11.210
This is something that they have done over 40 years.

543
00:27:11.210 --> 00:27:12.510
Where they would renovate.

544
00:27:13.370 --> 00:27:14.950
They obviously they would improve

545
00:27:14.950 --> 00:27:16.510
the value of those properties.

546
00:27:16.510 --> 00:27:18.950
They would pull out the equity from those properties

547
00:27:18.950 --> 00:27:20.850
to acquire other properties.

548
00:27:20.850 --> 00:27:24.710
They would take that equity and use it to renovate.

549
00:27:24.710 --> 00:27:26.490
Dover was within that chain.

550
00:27:26.490 --> 00:27:30.190
I believe it was the fifth of the six properties

551
00:27:30.190 --> 00:27:31.480
that they acquired.

552
00:27:31.480 --> 00:27:35.730
They then use the equity in Dover to acquire Weston.

553
00:27:35.730 --> 00:27:39.080
They moved out of Dover to Weston at the time that

554
00:27:39.080 --> 00:27:43.610
they sold the house to the Sullivans in 2013.

555
00:27:43.610 --> 00:27:45.640
There is evidence Justice Kafker

556
00:27:45.640 --> 00:27:49.090
that they considered renting out Dover.

557
00:27:49.090 --> 00:27:52.410
But the client decided not to do that because of its

558
00:27:52.410 --> 00:27:56.020
remoteness and its size it was going to be a difficult rent.

559
00:27:56.020 --> 00:27:59.070
But what they did do is while they were finishing

560
00:27:59.070 --> 00:28:02.010
the renovations in Dover they use the equity from Dover.

561
00:28:02.010 --> 00:28:06.470
They acquired Weston, they renovated Weston in 2009.

562
00:28:07.510 --> 00:28:11.510
And they use that and generated approximately $36,000

563
00:28:11.510 --> 00:28:13.690
worth of income annually

564
00:28:13.690 --> 00:28:16.150
just from that one property alone.

565
00:28:16.150 --> 00:28:19.000
Again this rental income

566
00:28:19.000 --> 00:28:21.520
from the evidence presented to the jury.

567
00:28:21.520 --> 00:28:24.920
Was well over 50% of the total income

568
00:28:24.920 --> 00:28:27.490
that these individuals received annually.

569
00:28:27.490 --> 00:28:30.030
It was disproportionately

570
00:28:30.030 --> 00:28:32.700
rental income as opposed to salaries.

571
00:28:32.700 --> 00:28:35.860
They also obviously achieved a significant wealth by

572
00:28:35.860 --> 00:28:40.860
virtue of the increase in value of these properties

573
00:28:41.520 --> 00:28:43.549
as they were renovated.

574
00:28:43.549 --> 00:28:48.549
<v ->You recognize from Dover, that they lost about $300,000.</v>

575
00:28:50.100 --> 00:28:51.493
But let me ask you this,

576
00:28:51.493 --> 00:28:56.343
because I wanna come at this from a different perspective.

577
00:28:57.220 --> 00:29:00.140
Because you've been asked a lot of questions about,

578
00:29:00.140 --> 00:29:02.157
and so is Mr. Lewin about

579
00:29:02.157 --> 00:29:04.440
"Is this the right course of action here?"

580
00:29:04.440 --> 00:29:07.460
And we've got a statute of repose that's complicating it.

581
00:29:07.460 --> 00:29:12.160
But one could argue that what's going on here is trying to

582
00:29:12.160 --> 00:29:16.210
shizzle in this circumstance into

583
00:29:16.210 --> 00:29:18.590
a course of trade and commerce.

584
00:29:18.590 --> 00:29:23.590
And I know that the fraud case was dismissed.

585
00:29:26.064 --> 00:29:28.870
But why isn't this fraud?

586
00:29:28.870 --> 00:29:32.767
You've got fragmentary information, at least.

587
00:29:34.830 --> 00:29:36.457
The United States Supreme court once said,

588
00:29:36.457 --> 00:29:40.457
"The best way to lie is, to surround truth around the lie."

589
00:29:41.340 --> 00:29:46.340
So I don't understand why

590
00:29:46.810 --> 00:29:47.720
instead of...

591
00:29:47.720 --> 00:29:49.540
Well I do understand because you got

592
00:29:49.540 --> 00:29:52.050
attorney fees and multiple damages.

593
00:29:52.050 --> 00:29:54.420
But it seems to me that the real problem

594
00:29:54.420 --> 00:29:58.050
in what's going on here is fraud.

595
00:29:58.050 --> 00:30:01.857
They decided to talk and not say the real big thing which is

596
00:30:01.857 --> 00:30:03.220
"Not only do we not have a permit.

597
00:30:03.220 --> 00:30:05.170
But we got structural problems here.

598
00:30:05.170 --> 00:30:07.397
And by the way we're contractors."

599
00:30:10.458 --> 00:30:15.130
<v ->To address your question in two fold banner Justice Lowy.</v>

600
00:30:15.130 --> 00:30:17.500
Number one, the fraud count was dismissed.

601
00:30:17.500 --> 00:30:18.640
<v ->We do think-</v>
<v Lowy>I know.</v>

602
00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:20.770
<v ->We do think that there was actionable fraud</v>

603
00:30:20.770 --> 00:30:24.820
and that was the basis of one of our cross appeals.

604
00:30:24.820 --> 00:30:29.180
There was actionable fraud under Kannavos verses Annino here

605
00:30:29.180 --> 00:30:32.220
Based upon the representations in the marketing materials

606
00:30:32.220 --> 00:30:34.220
touting these rather these renovations.

607
00:30:34.220 --> 00:30:35.473
Obviously without disclosing

608
00:30:35.473 --> 00:30:38.360
no permits and defective construction.

609
00:30:38.360 --> 00:30:42.600
And also when Mr. and Mrs.Gagliardi separately escorted

610
00:30:42.600 --> 00:30:46.110
the Sullivans around during the pre-closing inspection.

611
00:30:46.110 --> 00:30:51.110
And Mr.Gagliardi is promoting the renovations he made in

612
00:30:51.580 --> 00:30:52.930
the so called Tuscan room.

613
00:30:52.930 --> 00:30:55.790
Mrs.Gagliardi is promoting the renovation she made.

614
00:30:55.790 --> 00:30:57.240
<v ->No, but they're proud of...</v>

615
00:30:58.159 --> 00:30:59.250
A couple of things,

616
00:30:59.250 --> 00:31:03.310
One they liked them, they're proud of this room.

617
00:31:03.310 --> 00:31:07.890
They've lived in it. It's there...

618
00:31:07.890 --> 00:31:09.750
Whether they know its,

619
00:31:09.750 --> 00:31:11.730
if they knew it was structurally deficient

620
00:31:11.730 --> 00:31:15.347
they were risking their own lives living in there.

621
00:31:15.347 --> 00:31:19.670
I guess Mr. McGlynn, none of us trust

622
00:31:19.670 --> 00:31:22.220
the person who sells us our house.

623
00:31:22.220 --> 00:31:25.303
That's why we hire a building inspectors.

624
00:31:27.443 --> 00:31:32.443
And you know have the termites person come.

625
00:31:33.370 --> 00:31:36.683
I'm not sure this is fraud as opposed to,

626
00:31:38.410 --> 00:31:39.671
They're not...

627
00:31:39.671 --> 00:31:42.830
I don't see this necessarily as fraud as is,

628
00:31:42.830 --> 00:31:45.830
isn't this what the building inspectors supposed to pick up?

629
00:31:46.790 --> 00:31:50.490
Your client is also a sophisticated business person

630
00:31:50.490 --> 00:31:52.733
who can afford a building inspector.

631
00:31:54.920 --> 00:31:55.947
They must look at it and say,

632
00:31:55.947 --> 00:31:57.840
"Wow, this wiring isn't right."

633
00:31:57.840 --> 00:31:59.170
You know, I don't know.

634
00:31:59.170 --> 00:32:01.470
It just seems like this is tricky, this thing.

635
00:32:03.890 --> 00:32:06.690
<v ->Yes, there was a building inspector here.</v>

636
00:32:06.690 --> 00:32:09.100
But the jury heard the testimony from

637
00:32:09.100 --> 00:32:10.070
the building inspector.

638
00:32:10.070 --> 00:32:12.063
The jury heard the testimony from

639
00:32:12.063 --> 00:32:15.550
the Sullivan's as well as the expert witnesses.

640
00:32:15.550 --> 00:32:16.500
And whether or not

641
00:32:16.500 --> 00:32:19.690
the building inspectors testimony may have been

642
00:32:19.690 --> 00:32:23.870
consistent with what you're suggesting Justice Kafker.

643
00:32:23.870 --> 00:32:27.190
The jury had every right to reject that testimony.

644
00:32:27.190 --> 00:32:28.580
And it should not be considered

645
00:32:28.580 --> 00:32:31.650
for purposes of the standards of review.

646
00:32:31.650 --> 00:32:34.940
which cabins all of the evidence that we have in this case.

647
00:32:34.940 --> 00:32:36.010
The evidence-

648
00:32:36.010 --> 00:32:37.850
<v ->Mr. McGlynn, can I ask on that point?</v>

649
00:32:37.850 --> 00:32:40.950
And again this is in your, so let me finish the question.

650
00:32:40.950 --> 00:32:45.950
So did they move to dismiss the 93A

651
00:32:47.797 --> 00:32:51.610
and the implied warranty of habitability claims

652
00:32:51.610 --> 00:32:54.833
when they were originally brought?

653
00:32:55.960 --> 00:32:58.090
<v ->If I understand your question your Honor.</v>

654
00:32:58.090 --> 00:33:01.640
Via for example a motion to dismiss or summary judgment.

655
00:33:01.640 --> 00:33:05.410
<v Kafker>Yeah. Was it-</v>
<v ->Twice, twice.</v>

656
00:33:05.410 --> 00:33:06.243
<v Kafker>They tried-</v>
<v ->Twice</v>

657
00:33:07.706 --> 00:33:08.796
<v Kafker>Okay.</v>

658
00:33:08.796 --> 00:33:11.250
<v ->Twice they tried and they failed.</v>

659
00:33:11.250 --> 00:33:15.410
We are up as, as you are well aware on two motions;

660
00:33:15.410 --> 00:33:18.938
motion to alter or amend or a motion to new trial.

661
00:33:18.938 --> 00:33:22.970
The Justices are certainly much better aware of what

662
00:33:22.970 --> 00:33:24.480
the standards are there.

663
00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:28.090
The evidence here is we think substantial of

664
00:33:28.090 --> 00:33:32.130
not only trade or commerce but the builder-vendor.

665
00:33:32.130 --> 00:33:34.760
I just want to get back to one thing.

666
00:33:34.760 --> 00:33:36.139
And that is we do-

667
00:33:36.139 --> 00:33:37.780
<v ->Your time is running out.</v>

668
00:33:37.780 --> 00:33:39.000
So be quick, please.

669
00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:40.700
<v ->All right, we don't believe that there's any</v>

670
00:33:40.700 --> 00:33:42.370
legal flood gates that are,

671
00:33:42.370 --> 00:33:44.630
litigation flood gates that are going to be open here

672
00:33:44.630 --> 00:33:47.660
because a plaintiff is going to have to demonstrate

673
00:33:47.660 --> 00:33:49.730
each and every factor for a breach.

674
00:33:49.730 --> 00:33:51.610
For example of 93A or violation of 93A

675
00:33:51.610 --> 00:33:54.900
or the breach of implied warranty,

676
00:33:54.900 --> 00:33:57.360
builder-vendor causation damages,

677
00:33:57.360 --> 00:33:58.540
statute of limitations,

678
00:33:58.540 --> 00:33:59.910
statute of oppose.

679
00:33:59.910 --> 00:34:00.920
Thank you.

680
00:34:00.920 --> 00:34:02.120
<v ->Thank you, Mr.McGlynn.</v>

 