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<v ->SJC-13548.</v>

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Commonwealth versus Thomas Mercado.

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(papers rustling)
<v ->Diet Coke.</v>

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Hey, can you get Diet Coke?

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<v ->I need an IV down here, I'm dying.</v>

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(Justice chuckles)

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<v Justice>Okay, help me with your last name.</v>

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<v ->Amy Codagnone.</v>

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<v Justice>Attorney Codagnone, please.</v>

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<v ->I think it's afternoon at this point.</v>

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Good afternoon, your Honor.

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It's Amy Codagnone, on behalf of Thomas Mercado.

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Through the progress of science,

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we now know that the identification evidence

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that was critical to Mr. Mercado's conviction is,

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and I quote, "highly unreliable

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and that the identification of Mr. Mercado

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as the shooter is at great risk of being

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in error," end quote.

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This new evidence calls into question the justice

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of Mr. Mercado's conviction,

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provides him a ground of defense

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that was unavailable and unpursued at the time of his trial,

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and is counterintuitive to jurors.

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The science tells us that they would place,

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and they did place, undue weight on this unreliable

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and potentially false identification-evidence.

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In terms of whether or not Mr. Mercado's conviction

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should be reversed, there's two prongs that this court needs

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to consider on newly discovered evidence,

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and last week the court decided the Gaines case,

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which I would suggest answers some of those questions.

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The eyewitness identification science itself

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is properly considered newly discovered evidence,

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and the motion judge's finding here

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is adequately supported in the record.

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The court found that there was a 15-year acceleration

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that had occurred after Mr. Mercado's trial

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and development of the science.

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The court found also that this court's decision in Gomes

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sort of changed the law in terms of whether or not

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the science was available to defendants

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in determining that in 2009,

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the science was not available to Mr. Mercado.

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At the time that he was tried,

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defense lawyers were not seeking funds,

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getting funds, consulting these experts,

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and now the recognition has changed

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because we now know that jurors

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do not understand the science,

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and are unable to apply it without some guidance.

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So, the question I think for this court is whether

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the court correctly reviewed the trial record here.

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He was not the trial judge, he was a motion judge.

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And I would ask that after a de novo review

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and looking at the trial record here,

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that this court find that where

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the eyewitness identification science

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is the only evidence that places Mr. Mercado

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at the scene of the crime,

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at the time of the crime,

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and where we now know that that evidence is unreliable,

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that would have probably been a real factor

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in the jury's deliberations.

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<v ->Well, his, I'd like to talk about that</v>

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because it's a little bit weird.

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His own testimony places him at the scene of the crime,

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I'm not gonna say at the time,

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but, like, around the time on the same evening.

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And it's not a case of stranger identification,

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except potentially for the victim's brother.

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And the underlying premise of the expert opinion here

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is at odds with the defense theory presented at trial.

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And I don't think that helps the defendant

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in establishing prejudice.

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The defense at trial was not mistaken identity,

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was deliberate misidentification.

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In other words, these witnesses fabricated-

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<v Atty. Codagnone>Yes, your honor.</v>

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<v ->"Not that they did not recognize me,</v>

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but they fabricated that I was the perpetrator."

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<v Atty. Codagnone>Sure.</v>

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<v ->So, I don't really see</v>

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how the eyewitness identification testimony

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bears on that defense.

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It may bear on a strategy

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before the defendant decided to take the stand,

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but once he took the stand, and this is the defense,

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I'm having a hard time seeing how this all works out.

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<v ->So, there's two things</v>

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that I'd like to address there,

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and that's the familiarity piece,

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which Dr. Franklin says that the familiarity

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that was gained from that prior visit

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to the apartment building earlier is not,

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is actually evidence that predicts the later identification

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of Mr. Mercado as the shooter.

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But just addressing that second part

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so that I don't forget to,

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with regard to the defense,

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I think the point here is that this opens up

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an available defense that wasn't available

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to defense counsel at the time of trial.

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And the defense that was pursued

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was one of fabrication, right?

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That Martinez and Cripps were lying

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to protect the true killer

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who was a drug dealer named Polon.

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And I can see why that lacked credibility before the jury,

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because, first of all, Martinez had only known Polon

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for the one week that she was using crack in that apartment.

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And so her incentive to cover up for some man

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that she knew for one week really

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doesn't make a ton of sense.

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The defense also doesn't address why

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the victim's brother would get up from the witness stand

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and say, "That man killed my brother."

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It literally does not account for that whatsoever.

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There's no reason why he would be lying

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to protect a drug dealer he also doesn't know.

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And so this gives him a new grounded defense

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that wasn't really understood by trial counsel

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<v ->I'm confused on that,</v>

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'cause forget the Jenga tower legal standard.

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<v Atty. Codagnone>Yes.</v>
<v ->As glib as it is.</v>

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The legal standard is whether or not

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the newly available evidence would be a real factor-

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<v Atty. Codagnone>Right.</v>

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<v ->In the deliberations as it was done at trial, correct?</v>

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Not whether or not there would've been a change of test

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of strategy had this thing been available.

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<v ->I somewhat disagree with the court on that</v>

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because I think that in some of this court's cases

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that the court talks about

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how it opens up available defenses.

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So, for instance, in Eps,

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the defendant didn't have an expert

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who talked about shaken-baby syndrome.

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<v Justice Gaziano>Sure.</v>

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<v ->And it opened up a new sort of avenue for acquittal.</v>

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And here, really honest,

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but mistaken identification is a much better defense

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because one of the things about identification

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that Dr. Franklin explains is that when

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an eyewitness even holds a false memory,

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but when the memory is encoded in their face (chuckles)

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in their memory, such that they will sort of recite it

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to a jury, they will genuinely believe it when they say it.

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<v ->When we look at all the cases that we've said</v>

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it has been a real fact, all the misidentification cases,

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they're all along the lines of Gaines.

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But have we ever applied it when we've had two,

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we've had non strangers essentially,

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or in this situation?

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You know, and I understand your theory about it's mistaken

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because the suggestion that someone

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that was there was there later on, but-

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<v Atty. Codagnone>Right.</v>

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<v ->I get that.</v>

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But could you tell us, in all the cases we've had,

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they seem to me to be similar to Gaines,

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these quick hitters,
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You know, misidentifications,

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as opposed to strangers and non strangers.

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<v ->Well, so I think that the difference between Gaines</v>

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and other cases is that in Gaines

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there's an actual alternative avenue to conviction.

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So, if the jury in Gaines believes his confession,

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which is a corroborated confession, coupled with, you know,

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the consciousness of guilt, he's arrested in Ohio

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or something like that, you know,

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they could convict him in another way.

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So-
<v Justice Gaziano>Iowa.</v>

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<v ->Iowa, there you go.
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<v Justice>Don't worry, for those of us from Ohio,</v>

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we get confused with Iowa all the time.

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<v ->So, and in other cases, right?</v>

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There's other paths to conviction.

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So, you know, in that sense, this is the only evidence

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that is sufficient to sustain a conviction here

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that places him at the scene at the time of the crime.

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But in other cases there, you know, there is other evidence

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that's suggestive of guilt

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on which the defendant can convict, because recall,

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this is not-
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that he was present at the scene.

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<v ->Right.</v>

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<v ->He admits that he was present at the scene</v>

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with these people in the women's apartment.

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He admits that he knew one of the women from before

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and they had a relation, they were friendly.

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And we do have consciousness

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of guilt evidence.
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So it's not only,

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the eyewitness identification

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of him is not the only evidence.

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<v ->And I understand that.</v>

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But looking at, so, for instance, Marrero,

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this court reversed Marrero's conviction

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based on DNA evidence earlier this year.

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There were people that placed Marrero

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near or at the scene of the crime,

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he made a statement to somebody

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as he's fleeing from the crime scene,

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inculpating himself in the crime,

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and he, contemporaneous, flees the country.

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So, in that case,

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it was a real factor in the jury's deliberations.

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And there's more evidence.

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In Cowls, there was also consciousness of guilt.

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He throws away his bloody shoes.

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He makes statements to the police

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that are deemed inculpatory.

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You know, in each of these cases

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there is additional evidence.

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And so the question I think for the this court

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is whether it would be a real factor

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in the jury's deliberations if the jury understands

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that the identification of evidence is unreliable.

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And to the court's point that there are multiple witnesses,

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because I think that that was a real piece

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for the motion judge.

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The exoneration cases, this is a pattern that we see, right?

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In 1/3 of exoneration cases, there are multiple witnesses,

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and if you include non-DNA exoneration cases,

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I think that the statistics are about 40% of those cases.

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There are multiple people.

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And the science tells us exactly why that is

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and why that happens.

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It's because people are primed to sort of accept

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and incorporate in their memory details

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and information that's suggested to them.

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So, shortly after this crime,

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Martinez did not identify Mr. Mercado as the shooter.

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Cripps said he was "a man in the hallway",

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which the familiarity primes her to do.

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She's, as a crack addict, and an acute crack user,

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she is primed to not only have divided attention

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and the inability to perceive

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the person's face and recall it,

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but she's also, there are studies

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that suggest that hooded strangers

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are wrongly identified as familiar others,

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based upon the expectation that

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that would be the familiar other.

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So, the science sort of accounts for that piece.

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But beyond that, you know,

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I've lost my train of thought, I apologize.

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The interlocking identifications,

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the, I apologize.

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The identification of others can lead the police into

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a, you know, giving details to people

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which they will incorporate into their memory.

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So, when Gomes rejects Mr. Mercado as the shooter,

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he continues to get information to suggest

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that Mercado is the perpetrator.

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And later on, three years later,

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when he has no actual memory of the perpetrator's face,

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according to Dr. Franklin,

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he identifies him from the witness stand,

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which is something that we know and understand

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based upon the studies and the science is something

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that would be incredibly powerfully persuasive to jurors.

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And that's the other piece of this is that it would've been,

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this new information would be a real factor

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in the jury's deliberations

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because they do not understand how to use

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and how to account for this information.

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So, much of this is counterintuitive,

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and we know that jurors placed incredibly great weight

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on identification information.

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So, you know, in the face of exonerating DNA

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or other information, jurors will still credit

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eyewitness identification experts.

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And when somebody like Michael Gomes,

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who is steered through conscious

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or subconscious information

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that he has incorporated into his memory,

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when he gets up on the witness stand

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and he says, "That man killed my brother,"

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the jurors will believe it,

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despite that he will have at that time no ability

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to recall the perpetrator's face

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when he makes the identification.

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<v ->But the real factor analysis</v>

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is within the context of the discretion of the trial judge.

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And, so, the trial judge looked at all of this,

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the trial judge in the decision talked about the things

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that took away from the expert testimony that he credited.

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And he factored-
<v Atty. Codagnone>But, he</v>

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was not the trial judge, your Honor.

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<v ->I'm saying that the motion judge,</v>

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the motion judge took all of this into account.

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And, so, when the motion judge militates

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in favor of this would not have been a real factor,

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that's subject to the abuse of discretion standard.

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So tell me why that's an abuse of discretion,

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other than advocate gloss.

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<v ->So, I disagree that it's an abuse</v>

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of discretion standard here

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because we are dealing with a trial record

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that this court has equal ability to assess

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the impact on the trial record.

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So, this court will defer to the findings of fact

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where he credits Dr. Franklin's testimony.

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But I would suggest that a review

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of those findings of fact,

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as it compares to the trial record,

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this court is in equal position to assess.

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And, so, I would suggest that this court need not defer

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to his judgment of the trial record.

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And I'm also suggesting that the court got it wrong

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when comparing this case to the other cases

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where this court has found that this was a real factor

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in the jury's deliberations

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because of the Jenga Tower analysis.

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I think that the court is requiring that Mr. Mercado proved

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that a jury on retrial would find him

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actually innocent or not guilty.

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And that's truly not the standard.

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In Marrero, this court said-

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<v ->Where in the court's decision</v>

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is that what the court said that they're doing?

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<v ->Well, the court said that this information</v>

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"does not implode the Commonwealth's case

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like a Jenga tower".

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<v ->Yeah, I mean it's a bit hyperbole, perhaps,</v>

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you're saying it wasn't blockbuster information, but-

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<v Atty. Codagnone>Sure, but the-</v>

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<v ->Can I ask you just a mechanical question?</v>

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You had the transcripts from the first trial, correct?

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<v Atty. Codagnone>Yes.</v>
<v ->From the trial?</v>

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That's not part of this record or is it?

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<v ->If it's not, that is my error.</v>

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<v ->Could you make them part of the record, please?</v>

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<v ->I absolutely can.</v>
<v Justice Gaziano>Thank you.</v>

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<v ->Yes, my apologies.</v>

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<v Justice Gaziano>Thank you.</v>

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<v ->It seems to me that the jury's verdict</v>

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reflects a necessary rejection

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of the defendant's testimony that he left

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before the shooting,

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and accepts the timeline testified to

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by the two women occupants of the apartment.

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Can you tell me why that idea is wrong?

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<v ->It's wrong because they didn't have</v>

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the benefit of this new evidence.

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I would suggest that undercuts severely-

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<v ->[Justice Wolohojian] How would that affect the timeline?</v>

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<v ->Well, so if you look at the timeline,</v>

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Janette Martinez's timeline,

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it says that the defendant left at about 9:20,

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which is consistent with his testimony,

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that is also consistent with his innocence.

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The homicide doesn't happen until after midnight.

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So, her testimony in terms of the timeline

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is, in fact, consistent.

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But the jury, like I've indicated, didn't have any ability

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to understand why these women were unreliable,

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why Michael Gomes was unreliable.

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And so in evaluating their testimony,

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all that counsel is left with is this defense of

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that these people are sort of, you know,

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collaborating to protect some drug dealer and pin it on him,

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when, in reality, there's explanations for why

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they would genuinely believe that they

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had identified Mr. Mercado correctly as the shooter,

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but they did not have an adequate opportunity

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to see him, view him, recall him,

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both Cripps' and Martinez's memories and mind,

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and recall the testimony sort of said to them, to the jury,

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when I'm using crack cocaine, my memory is great,

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my perception is great, I have no problems.

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But the truth and the reality of that situation

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is that they have severe deficits in their frontal lobe

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and their ability to process and recall information.

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They have deficits in memory

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that are sort of lifetime issues.

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And, really, these witnesses, according to Dr. Franklin,

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are highly unreliable.

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And this is an opinion that she called "overdetermined".

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So there's multiple ways that she gets to this determination

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that these people are highly unreliable,

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unlikely to have made an adequate memory

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of this person's face.

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And that's because the, you know,

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initial opportunity to view.

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But, also, if you look at, for instance,

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Jeanette Martinez's testimony, she waffles back and forth

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and all over the place on every statement that she gives.

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For instance, the statement of intent to kill,

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she says "To kill, to rob, to kill.

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He said nothing."

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Every time she tells a story it's different.

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But there's an explanation in terms

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of why she would've gotten there

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and why she might, by the time she gets to the jury,

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genuinely believe that to be true,

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which is persuasive to them,

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but they don't understand why these people

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would be making the mistake.

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And, so, the explanation in terms of how somebody can,

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you know, mistake a hooded perpetrator for their friend,

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you know, that would've been a real factor

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for them in terms of deciding whether

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or not this eyewitness identification evidence

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was sufficient to rest the conviction on.

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I understand that I'm over time, I would just ask that

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that where we now have new scientific evidence to suggest

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that the conviction is based upon unreliable evidence

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that this court not look the other way

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and affirm the conviction.

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Thank you.
<v ->Okay, thank you.</v>

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Attorney Hansen.

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<v ->Good afternoon, your Honors.</v>

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Arne Hansen for the Commonwealth.

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This was never a case

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that was predicated on a misidentification.

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The defendant identified at trial by three individuals,

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the victim's brother, David Gomes,

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and two people that he was familiar with,

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Corinne Cripps, who had been a friend of his

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for three or four years, as well as Janette Martinez,

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who had spent the day with him.

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Now, certainly it would be difficult for me to argue

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that the identification by David Gomes wasn't perfect.

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He identified someone else prior to the trial

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as the perpetrator of this case,

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and only identified the defendant

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as the perpetrator three years after the fact in court.

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Certainly, that identification would not

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survive a Creighton motion today,

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but Creighton didn't exist at the time

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of the defendant's trial.

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There's no point in arguing that that is a weak

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and suggestive identification.

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What we are left with is an identification

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by two individuals who were familiar with

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the defendant in this case.

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As I stated, Cripps was his friend

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and they'd been hanging out in that apartment

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the entire night.

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And Janette Martinez was certainly familiar with him,

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she had spent the last few hours with him.

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And what we have here is more than just

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an identification out of the blue.

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Both witnesses provided context as to what transpired

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prior to the homicide.

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Janette Martinez testified

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that she saw the defendant, Joey Destefano

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and another individual who was only known as Polon,

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who was never truly identified or arrested,

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in her kitchen talking about their plan to rob

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and murder the victim in this case.

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She provided the jury context with respect to motive,

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opportunity and planning.

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Corinn Cripps did the exact same thing.

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She testified that the defendant asked her to go

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to the neighboring apartment,

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the victim's apartment, and see what they had.

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She went there and confirmed that they were selling cocaine,

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they were packaging it for distribution,

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at which point the defendant made his decision

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to call Destefano down and to try to plan that robbery,

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which turned into a homicide.

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So, we have more than just

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an identification out of the blue.

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We have planning, motive, opportunity,

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and on top of that we have consciousness of guilt.

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Immediately after the defendant committed this homicide,

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he fled to Puerto Rico

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and wasn't identified until more than a year later

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through fingerprint analysis when

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he was arrested for a different crime.

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When investigators from Massachusetts went down there

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to interview him, he denied being Thomas Mercado,

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gave an alias, denied any knowledge

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or involvement in the crime.

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But Commonwealth had his fingerprints,

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they knew who he was, in fact, Thomas Mercado.

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He was brought to Massachusetts to stand trial.

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The defendant's theory of defense in this case

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was not mistaken identity.

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In part, it was mistaken identity by David Gomes,

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who had a limited opportunity to view

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and identify the defendant, which again, I'm not gonna touch

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because it's not the strongest identification.

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But he argued that because Polon,

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the defendant's cousin,

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was operating a drug business out of Martinez's apartment,

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that provided motive for those two individuals,

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Martinez and Cripps,

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to lie about the identity of the perpetrator.

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They wanted to protect Polon

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because he was their source of narcotics.

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And that was the theory of defense.

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And that was what was supported by the evidence at trial.

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To argue now that the two women who were familiar

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with the defendant could not identify him

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because from feet away makes absolutely no sense.

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The defendant's, or Dr. Franklin's testimony,

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is inadmissible for several reasons in this case,

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which Judge Gordon recognized.

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The first of which is that the studies

505
00:21:44.670 --> 00:21:47.400
that Dr. Franklin relies on deal

506
00:21:47.400 --> 00:21:49.350
with stranger identification.

507
00:21:49.350 --> 00:21:52.410
And that certainly applies to the Gomes identification,

508
00:21:52.410 --> 00:21:56.280
but it does not survive the Cripps and Martinez analysis.

509
00:21:56.280 --> 00:21:58.560
They were both familiar with him.

510
00:21:58.560 --> 00:22:01.830
And the court, the Superior Court, cited the Denson case,

511
00:22:01.830 --> 00:22:03.870
which is a 2022 case out of this court,

512
00:22:03.870 --> 00:22:08.870
which is very similar in that respect to the case at bar.

513
00:22:08.970 --> 00:22:13.740
In that case, Denson was involved in a club altercation,

514
00:22:13.740 --> 00:22:15.150
which resulted in a homicide.

515
00:22:15.150 --> 00:22:18.147
He was identified on video by people that knew him

516
00:22:18.147 --> 00:22:19.860
and he was principally identified

517
00:22:19.860 --> 00:22:21.930
through the clothing that he was wearing.

518
00:22:21.930 --> 00:22:23.550
Individuals were familiar with him,

519
00:22:23.550 --> 00:22:24.547
knew what he was wearing, and said,

520
00:22:24.547 --> 00:22:25.800
"Yes, that's the same person

521
00:22:25.800 --> 00:22:27.450
that I saw earlier that evening."

522
00:22:29.940 --> 00:22:32.430
And the expert that was gonna testify in that trial

523
00:22:32.430 --> 00:22:33.570
was prevented from testifying

524
00:22:33.570 --> 00:22:35.850
because the underlying research that they were gonna testify

525
00:22:35.850 --> 00:22:38.250
to dealt with facial recognition.

526
00:22:38.250 --> 00:22:41.490
So we have a very similar parallel in this case

527
00:22:41.490 --> 00:22:45.090
where here we have analysis based

528
00:22:45.090 --> 00:22:46.350
on stranger identifications

529
00:22:46.350 --> 00:22:47.520
that says strangers aren't really good

530
00:22:47.520 --> 00:22:48.900
at identifying strangers.

531
00:22:48.900 --> 00:22:52.203
It does not touch on what we have before the court,

532
00:22:53.340 --> 00:22:54.690
that people who are familiar with each other

533
00:22:54.690 --> 00:22:56.940
can identify people who are familiar with each other.

534
00:22:56.940 --> 00:22:59.290
To suggest otherwise makes absolutely no sense.

535
00:23:01.080 --> 00:23:02.520
So for that reason alone,

536
00:23:02.520 --> 00:23:04.770
this testimony would've been inadmissible at trial

537
00:23:04.770 --> 00:23:05.603
where it doesn't really,

538
00:23:05.603 --> 00:23:08.150
the research doesn't speak to the facts of the case.

539
00:23:10.110 --> 00:23:13.320
Now, Dr. Franklin's opinion is also inadmissible

540
00:23:13.320 --> 00:23:15.570
because it really touches on the ultimate issue

541
00:23:15.570 --> 00:23:18.030
that the jury needs to decide upon.

542
00:23:18.030 --> 00:23:20.460
The jury is the only, or the trier factor,

543
00:23:20.460 --> 00:23:22.800
the only people that can touch on

544
00:23:22.800 --> 00:23:25.290
the credibility and reliability.

545
00:23:25.290 --> 00:23:27.570
<v ->We've allowed extra witnesses to testify</v>

546
00:23:27.570 --> 00:23:30.070
and encouraged extra witnesses to testify

547
00:23:30.960 --> 00:23:34.200
multiple times in identification cases, correct?

548
00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:38.310
<v ->Yes. Which brings me to another point.</v>

549
00:23:38.310 --> 00:23:41.700
<v ->They said that identification was unreliable.</v>

550
00:23:41.700 --> 00:23:42.900
That's not the ultimate issue.

551
00:23:42.900 --> 00:23:44.520
The ultimate issue is whether or not the person did it?

552
00:23:44.520 --> 00:23:48.210
But, this argument, I'm following you so far,

553
00:23:48.210 --> 00:23:50.210
but this argument, I think you're going,

554
00:23:51.600 --> 00:23:53.580
it's a little far field.

555
00:23:53.580 --> 00:23:55.350
<v ->Alright, so I'll I'll move on.</v>

556
00:23:55.350 --> 00:23:57.420
The other issue is that Dr.-

557
00:23:57.420 --> 00:23:59.160
<v ->One thing before you move on, not on that issue,</v>

558
00:23:59.160 --> 00:24:01.263
but the second witness,

559
00:24:02.520 --> 00:24:07.020
is that really, I understand her name, Cripps,

560
00:24:07.020 --> 00:24:07.853
I can't remember.

561
00:24:07.853 --> 00:24:10.380
She's clearly someone who knows him from prior.

562
00:24:10.380 --> 00:24:13.560
The other witness just knows him from that day, right?

563
00:24:13.560 --> 00:24:15.540
Does that make her a stranger ID

564
00:24:15.540 --> 00:24:18.000
or she's sort of a mixture, right?

565
00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:21.240
She's not really what we would call a stranger ID

566
00:24:21.240 --> 00:24:24.270
but she's also not like Cripps a friend, right?

567
00:24:24.270 --> 00:24:25.103
<v ->Yes, that's fair.</v>

568
00:24:25.103 --> 00:24:26.820
So, my understanding from the record is

569
00:24:26.820 --> 00:24:28.140
that they had met that afternoon

570
00:24:28.140 --> 00:24:30.990
and they spent several hours together inside the apartment.

571
00:24:30.990 --> 00:24:35.613
Her testimony at trial was somewhat all over the place,

572
00:24:37.500 --> 00:24:39.180
but I think what can be gleaned from it is

573
00:24:39.180 --> 00:24:43.080
that she saw the defendant and Polon in her kitchen,

574
00:24:43.080 --> 00:24:45.480
discussing murdering the victim.

575
00:24:45.480 --> 00:24:46.950
And then immediately after that,

576
00:24:46.950 --> 00:24:50.463
she sees him leave her apartment.

577
00:24:51.360 --> 00:24:53.940
She says that she then saw him waiting in the hallway

578
00:24:53.940 --> 00:24:56.700
through the peep hole with his hands in his pockets.

579
00:24:56.700 --> 00:24:59.100
And she said at one point that she didn't see the shooting,

580
00:24:59.100 --> 00:25:00.330
that she did see the shooting,

581
00:25:00.330 --> 00:25:02.280
she changed her story with regards to that.

582
00:25:02.280 --> 00:25:03.630
All of that was before the jury.

583
00:25:03.630 --> 00:25:04.980
So they were just in as good a position

584
00:25:04.980 --> 00:25:07.233
to evaluate her credibility as we are today.

585
00:25:08.400 --> 00:25:12.030
But what was consistent was they're talking at the table,

586
00:25:12.030 --> 00:25:14.100
they decide to execute their plan,

587
00:25:14.100 --> 00:25:15.210
he walks into the hallway,

588
00:25:15.210 --> 00:25:18.000
he's seen with his hands in his pocket in the hallway,

589
00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:20.973
moments later, gunshots erupt, and the victim is dead.

590
00:25:23.640 --> 00:25:27.360
With respect to what the,

591
00:25:27.360 --> 00:25:30.240
respect to the common sense principles here,

592
00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:32.700
this court has already addressed a lot of the issues

593
00:25:32.700 --> 00:25:34.560
that the defendant raises here.

594
00:25:34.560 --> 00:25:37.080
And it goes back to the Francis case

595
00:25:37.080 --> 00:25:38.850
where the court's already accepted

596
00:25:38.850 --> 00:25:40.620
that we don't need special instruction,

597
00:25:40.620 --> 00:25:43.080
or that the jury instructions are sufficient

598
00:25:43.080 --> 00:25:44.310
to address specific issues

599
00:25:44.310 --> 00:25:46.233
and expert testimony isn't necessary.

600
00:25:47.190 --> 00:25:49.830
It's common sense that memory fades over time,

601
00:25:49.830 --> 00:25:51.693
that stress impacts memory,

602
00:25:52.830 --> 00:25:56.700
that people unconsciously resolve inconsistencies with facts

603
00:25:56.700 --> 00:25:58.080
that are required after the fact,

604
00:25:58.080 --> 00:26:01.140
that there could be coercive elements in a photo array.

605
00:26:01.140 --> 00:26:03.060
These are all issues that this court has ruled,

606
00:26:03.060 --> 00:26:05.910
don't require expert testimony to be explained.

607
00:26:05.910 --> 00:26:07.620
And these are some of the issues

608
00:26:07.620 --> 00:26:09.513
that defendant is bringing up today.

609
00:26:11.460 --> 00:26:14.190
Now, I think the biggest point here is

610
00:26:14.190 --> 00:26:16.740
that we don't really have new evidence here.

611
00:26:16.740 --> 00:26:19.380
We have an analysis by an expert who was hired

612
00:26:19.380 --> 00:26:21.360
to evaluate the situation.

613
00:26:21.360 --> 00:26:23.730
It's important to note that Dr. Franklin never spoke

614
00:26:23.730 --> 00:26:25.380
with anyone that was involved.

615
00:26:25.380 --> 00:26:27.390
She never spoke to Cripps or Martinez.

616
00:26:27.390 --> 00:26:29.280
She doesn't know what the crime scene looks like.

617
00:26:29.280 --> 00:26:31.350
<v ->Well, in, in Gaines we said that this type</v>

618
00:26:31.350 --> 00:26:34.893
of evidence constitutes newly discovered evidence, right?

619
00:26:36.930 --> 00:26:37.763
<v ->That's fair.</v>

620
00:26:37.763 --> 00:26:39.150
So, I'll rephrase.

621
00:26:39.150 --> 00:26:43.800
What we are left with here is merely impeachment evidence.

622
00:26:43.800 --> 00:26:48.480
It doesn't change the landscape of the evidence at trial.

623
00:26:48.480 --> 00:26:52.230
And that is an important distinction between other cases

624
00:26:52.230 --> 00:26:54.270
that have been overturned in recent years,

625
00:26:54.270 --> 00:26:57.450
specifically Cowls, Dreighton and Cameron.

626
00:26:57.450 --> 00:27:01.380
So in Cowls, that case

627
00:27:01.380 --> 00:27:04.050
was precipitated on the identification by one witness.

628
00:27:04.050 --> 00:27:07.020
That witness had substantial credibility issues.

629
00:27:07.020 --> 00:27:08.640
But there was corroborating evidence,

630
00:27:08.640 --> 00:27:11.700
there was a bloody towel that that witness said

631
00:27:11.700 --> 00:27:14.490
the defendant used to wipe up after the fact.

632
00:27:14.490 --> 00:27:16.050
They did DNA analysis,

633
00:27:16.050 --> 00:27:18.390
and it turns out the victim's blood

634
00:27:18.390 --> 00:27:20.970
or the defendant's blood wasn't on that towel.

635
00:27:20.970 --> 00:27:24.450
Therefore, that was the one piece that

636
00:27:24.450 --> 00:27:28.020
buttressed the testimony of that witness, that went away,

637
00:27:28.020 --> 00:27:30.060
therefore, the conviction was overturned.

638
00:27:30.060 --> 00:27:32.130
In Dreighton, we have something very similar.

639
00:27:32.130 --> 00:27:33.261
We have one individual, Jackson,

640
00:27:33.261 --> 00:27:36.240
who testified as to what happened in the homicide

641
00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:39.060
and identified the defendant as the perpetrator.

642
00:27:39.060 --> 00:27:41.460
It turns out after the fact that another witness was

643
00:27:41.460 --> 00:27:42.930
with Jackson in the bathroom,

644
00:27:42.930 --> 00:27:44.670
stated, "I was with him in the bathroom,

645
00:27:44.670 --> 00:27:45.630
with him the entire time.

646
00:27:45.630 --> 00:27:47.070
I did not see what happened.

647
00:27:47.070 --> 00:27:48.210
He couldn't have seen what happened

648
00:27:48.210 --> 00:27:49.800
because we were in the bathroom."

649
00:27:49.800 --> 00:27:54.800
That removed that linchpin and resulted in new trial.

650
00:27:54.810 --> 00:27:57.750
In Cameron, as a sexual assault case

651
00:27:57.750 --> 00:27:59.160
where there was DNA evidence,

652
00:27:59.160 --> 00:28:02.673
there was two sets of DNA found in the victim's underwear.

653
00:28:03.750 --> 00:28:06.540
The first significant contribution,

654
00:28:06.540 --> 00:28:10.590
the defendant, in that case, was eliminated as a source of,

655
00:28:10.590 --> 00:28:12.900
but there was a second piece of DNA

656
00:28:12.900 --> 00:28:14.700
that he couldn't be eliminated from.

657
00:28:15.690 --> 00:28:17.760
It turns out more advanced DNA analysis,

658
00:28:17.760 --> 00:28:18.900
years down the road,

659
00:28:18.900 --> 00:28:20.370
determined that was female DNA.

660
00:28:20.370 --> 00:28:22.270
So it couldn't be the defendant's DNA.

661
00:28:23.970 --> 00:28:27.390
The conviction was predicated on the victim's testimony,

662
00:28:27.390 --> 00:28:28.830
which was corroborated by the fact

663
00:28:28.830 --> 00:28:30.090
that the defendant couldn't be removed

664
00:28:30.090 --> 00:28:32.970
as a source from the DNA found in her underwear.

665
00:28:32.970 --> 00:28:35.280
By removing that DNA,

666
00:28:35.280 --> 00:28:39.510
it left it on the victim's identification

667
00:28:39.510 --> 00:28:42.723
and the conviction was overturned.

668
00:28:43.710 --> 00:28:45.483
We don't have that here.

669
00:28:46.590 --> 00:28:51.590
We have three individuals who, at best, were impeached here.

670
00:28:53.820 --> 00:28:58.820
It's important to note that Dr. Franklin relied extensively

671
00:28:59.100 --> 00:29:01.737
on information provided by defense counsel here.

672
00:29:01.737 --> 00:29:04.150
And that being affidavits from

673
00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:08.640
an affidavit that was attributed to Janette Martinez,

674
00:29:08.640 --> 00:29:10.470
written in 2016,

675
00:29:10.470 --> 00:29:12.060
statements attributed to Corinn Cripps

676
00:29:12.060 --> 00:29:14.820
recanting her version of events,

677
00:29:14.820 --> 00:29:18.120
which were put in the affidavit of an investigator,

678
00:29:18.120 --> 00:29:23.120
as well as an affidavit from Joey Destefano

679
00:29:23.220 --> 00:29:24.750
who testified to the grand jury,

680
00:29:24.750 --> 00:29:28.050
but then recanted years later, he never ended up testifying

681
00:29:28.050 --> 00:29:29.550
before the court and was held in contempt,

682
00:29:29.550 --> 00:29:31.530
did a year in jail as a result.

683
00:29:31.530 --> 00:29:32.760
Now, it's important to note

684
00:29:32.760 --> 00:29:36.030
that Janette Martinez's affidavit from 2016

685
00:29:36.030 --> 00:29:37.680
during the evidentiary hearing,

686
00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:39.450
she did not adopt that affidavit.

687
00:29:39.450 --> 00:29:41.010
She explicitly rejected it

688
00:29:41.010 --> 00:29:42.990
because she noticed that her date of birth was wrong

689
00:29:42.990 --> 00:29:45.480
on the affidavit and she didn't read or write English,

690
00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:46.710
so that she had no way of knowing

691
00:29:46.710 --> 00:29:48.560
what was contained in that affidavit.

692
00:29:49.620 --> 00:29:53.220
She did adopt a letter that she wrote shortly

693
00:29:53.220 --> 00:29:56.170
after the fact that still that discussed

694
00:29:57.390 --> 00:30:01.170
the defendant and Polon in the kitchen discussing the plan,

695
00:30:01.170 --> 00:30:03.270
and then the defendant standing in the hallway

696
00:30:03.270 --> 00:30:05.040
with his hands in his pockets immediately

697
00:30:05.040 --> 00:30:06.390
before the shooting erupts.

698
00:30:07.380 --> 00:30:10.050
Corinn Cripps did not recant any

699
00:30:10.050 --> 00:30:14.130
of her trial testimony at the evidentiary hearing.

700
00:30:14.130 --> 00:30:15.450
In fact, defense counsel didn't even ask

701
00:30:15.450 --> 00:30:17.580
her any questions about it.

702
00:30:17.580 --> 00:30:19.920
So her testimony is largely unchanged.

703
00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:22.170
The statements attributed to her saying

704
00:30:22.170 --> 00:30:23.940
that she believed the wrong person was convicted

705
00:30:23.940 --> 00:30:27.360
for this crime was not borne out

706
00:30:27.360 --> 00:30:30.720
by the evidentiary record at the evidentiary hearing.

707
00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:34.470
And then Joseph Destefano, at the Grand Jury,

708
00:30:34.470 --> 00:30:38.580
he testified that he was called down to that apartment

709
00:30:38.580 --> 00:30:41.520
to help plan this proposed robbery

710
00:30:41.520 --> 00:30:42.840
that turned into a homicide.

711
00:30:42.840 --> 00:30:44.130
He said he didn't want any part of it.

712
00:30:44.130 --> 00:30:45.400
He said that he saw the defendant

713
00:30:45.400 --> 00:30:46.710
with a gun in his waistband,

714
00:30:46.710 --> 00:30:49.360
that they were gonna go forward to plan, but he left.

715
00:30:51.030 --> 00:30:54.190
Destefano then recanted all of his sworn testimony

716
00:30:55.980 --> 00:30:58.050
at the evidentiary hearing.

717
00:30:58.050 --> 00:31:00.570
But the most interesting thing about it is that he said

718
00:31:00.570 --> 00:31:02.970
that police forced him to say that the defendant

719
00:31:03.840 --> 00:31:06.720
had a revolver in his waistband prior to the homicide.

720
00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:08.220
And that is an important distinction

721
00:31:08.220 --> 00:31:10.740
because this crime was committed

722
00:31:10.740 --> 00:31:12.210
with a semi-automatic firearm,

723
00:31:12.210 --> 00:31:14.580
which left semi-automatic nine millimeter casings

724
00:31:14.580 --> 00:31:16.890
all over the crime scene, which wouldn't have happened

725
00:31:16.890 --> 00:31:18.960
with a revolver where the cartridges would've remained

726
00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:21.240
in the firearm after discharged.

727
00:31:21.240 --> 00:31:24.780
It's important to note that the lead detective,

728
00:31:24.780 --> 00:31:27.570
detective Alameda, is a firearms instructor.

729
00:31:27.570 --> 00:31:29.040
He is very familiar with guns,

730
00:31:29.040 --> 00:31:32.310
testified at the evidentiary as to how firearms work,

731
00:31:32.310 --> 00:31:33.660
knew what the difference between

732
00:31:33.660 --> 00:31:36.090
a semi-automatic firearm wasn't a revolver.

733
00:31:36.090 --> 00:31:39.280
It would've made absolutely no sense for him to tell

734
00:31:40.380 --> 00:31:42.870
Destefano that he saw a revolver

735
00:31:42.870 --> 00:31:44.190
in the defendant's waistband when he knew

736
00:31:44.190 --> 00:31:46.290
that couldn't have been the murder weapon.

737
00:31:47.250 --> 00:31:50.800
So, the evidentiary basis that Dr. Franklin

738
00:31:51.870 --> 00:31:54.930
based her opinion on did not exist

739
00:31:54.930 --> 00:31:57.000
after the evidentiary hearing.

740
00:31:57.000 --> 00:31:59.940
And despite that, she said that "even without all

741
00:31:59.940 --> 00:32:01.620
of these recantations,

742
00:32:01.620 --> 00:32:03.840
and despite the change in circumstances",

743
00:32:03.840 --> 00:32:05.730
she said she "would come to the same conclusion".

744
00:32:05.730 --> 00:32:08.400
<v ->I guess, we're drawing late,</v>

745
00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:12.480
but the only question I have for you on that part is

746
00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:15.360
given all the deficiencies which are pointed out

747
00:32:15.360 --> 00:32:18.090
to the motion judge, the motion judge still found

748
00:32:18.090 --> 00:32:21.603
that the expert was credible as a bottom line, right?

749
00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:24.140
<v Atty. Hansen>Yes, that's fair.</v>

750
00:32:25.440 --> 00:32:27.330
<v ->We have to defer to the motion judge,</v>

751
00:32:27.330 --> 00:32:28.480
at least in that score.

752
00:32:29.520 --> 00:32:30.353
<v ->Yes.</v>

753
00:32:31.920 --> 00:32:33.960
Does the court have any other questions?

754
00:32:33.960 --> 00:32:36.110
<v Justice>I don't think so.</v>
<v ->Thank you.</v>

 